I don't want to get off bugtraq issues... and I agree that posting copyrighted material is wrong... but sun needs to face it that the minute they gave source out to a University, it was probably as good as "public" info. I have been offered, by hackers, every level of SunOS source from 3.2 through 5.4 ... and I have declined. It is tempting to accept these codes, or one module as was posted to bugtraq... when sun's code is so fucking horribly broken and they either wont admit it or they wont fix it... but most of the time it is possible to find a bsd source that you retrieve to solve your problem. Scott ps: IMHO